 Chefs with Issues is a platform for chefs and farmers we love, fired up for causes about which they're passionate. Virginia Willis, a graduate of L'Academie de Cuisine and Ecole de Cuisine LaVarenne, is the author of "Bon Appétit, Y’all" and "Basic to Brilliant, Y'all." As a chef and food writer, I rarely eat fast food. The quality is generally atrocious and much of it is radically unhealthy. The menu offerings are the polar opposite of local and seasonal. There are dire implications concerning worker’s rights and wages, as well as animal welfare and factory farms. It doesn’t matter where you are in the country, every interstate exit is identical with the same usual suspects offering the same sad sacks of chemically laced, artificially flavored fare, all swimming in high-fructose corn syrup. Cheap, fast food is at the core of what is wrong with our food system. Yet, there’s one thing that trumps my French-training and chef sensibilities; I love Chick-fil-A. My favorite sandwich is the classic fried chicken sandwich on the buttered bun. The steam from the slightly sweet, golden brown chicken condenses inside the foil-lined package and wilts the bread, just enough. I prefer plain, no lettuce, no tomato, just mayonnaise, and the perfect pop of sour pickle. I’ve always known that founder Truett Cathy was a religiously conservative Christian. I applaud the fact that he’s closed on Sundays and strong in his faith. The outlets are part of the local community, supporting the schools and sports teams. I admire the work of Chick-fil-A’s WinShape Foundation in regards to foster homes, scholarships and education, food donations for disaster relief, first responders and the military. Service, volunteering and giving back are at the heart of Chick-fil-A, qualities I aspire to, advocate and admire. I, too, am a Christian. I am also a lesbian. And while many religious conservatives think I am going to burn in hell and my existence is a crime against nature, I refuse to believe that God doesn’t love me because I am gay. I refuse to believe that God made a mistake. I refuse to believe that something is wrong with me and I need “conversion therapy.” I refuse to call those anti-same sex marriage groups "pro-family" because that doesn’t include my very real family, my love and my commitment to my partner. I also absolutely refuse to believe that if I choose to marry another woman that I am somehow harming the institution of marriage. Controversy erupted last summer with Chick-fil-A president and chief operating officer Dan Cathy's remarks about being against gay marriage, “guilty as charged.” It led to Mike Huckabee’s crusade, Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day and the subsequent boycott of Chick-fil-A by gay, lesbian and like-minded individuals, myself included. The Chick-fil-A website states that the corporate giving has been “mischaracterized.” Well, there’s nothing “mischaracterizing” about their – now former – funding of the ultra-conservative groups such as Family Research Council, Eagle Forum and Exodus International, all aggressively anti-homosexual. Just this week, gay rights organization Campus Pride issued a statement claiming that Chick-fil-A gave the organization's executive director, Shane Windmeyer, access to recent Chick-fil-A tax documents. After reviewing the company's 2011 and 2012 financials – which have not been released publicly – Windmeyer said Chick-fil-A no longer gives funds to “the most divisive anti-LGBT groups.” For a long time, I cast a blind eye towards Chick-fil-A's corporate giving and, through my patronage, contributed to the very religious conservative groups that abhor my existence. Ah, the power of a chicken sandwich. But, when it all came to a head last summer, I could no longer ignore it. I quit supporting Chick-fil-A and said farewell to my favorite beverage, the perfect thirst-quenching combination of a half-and-half tea. The truth is that Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day was not about freedom of speech. It was simply a thinly veiled protest against homosexuals, period. Those swarms of conservatives weren’t lining up around the block getting waffle fries and chicken sandwiches to protest such lofty ideals as upholding the constitution and protecting the First Amendment. I believe they were showing that they are united against same-sex marriage and against gays, in general. So, earlier this week I drew a shallow breath of relief when the news surfaced that Chick-fil-A wasn’t as aggressively homophobic and had quit funding the groups. The company website states, “Our intent is not to support political or social agendas.” The recent news may have influenced me subconsciously stopping and picking up a half-and-half tea just this very morning, the first I’ve had since summer. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but going forward, I’m honestly not certain what I will do - if I will continue my renewed patronage of Chick-fil-A or not. Truthfully, I now have a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth and sadly, my once perfect half-and half tea just doesn’t taste as sweet. Previously - Opinion: Why I’m celebrating Chick-fil-Gay Appreciation Day and Fast food with a side of faith and Chicken and politics |
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I thought this was America where a person can live and let live. Boy, am I wrong. You go against something you are automatically a hater.
I agree with you. In this case, she's saying if you support freedom of speech, you must be against gays and the gay-marriage issue. Absurd.
The point isn't about free speach and association. It doesn't matter what Chik File's owner thinks about gays. What matters is that he donates to organizations that try to avoid changing LAWS that cause gays to be treated differently. He does not have to meet with, talk with, or interact with people with whom he disagrees. He CANNOT make those decisions for others through the legal system. SInce he tries, he should be fought wherever possible.
Do you not see the obvious contradiction here? Essentially, gay people are asking that others honor this principle of live and let live, yet the right-wing attacks them legislatively (and by every other means they can think of) every chance it gets. When companies are known to donate to the sorts of organizations that promote the denial of basic rights to others, some Americans have a problem with that – and not all of us are gay. A difference of opinion doesn't make a person a hater – supporting the denial of others rights based on ignorance and prejudice is what leads to some being called haters. You want live and let live? Practice it, and see if it doesn't start coming back to you.
I DO live and let live, talking to the choir here! I agree a difference of opinion does NOT make one a hater but tell that to the ones who make such hateful, vile comments.
It truly is amazing the sign of the times. Within the last 15-20 years-these conversations were tabu to talk about. Granted hating someone for their sexual preferene is wrong, but hating the sin is not. The devil has certainly reared his ugly head by making people to become so tolerant of what goes against God. Chick-filA took a stand for what they believe in. Now they are being judged for what the Gay/Lesbian world fights so hard for-their so-called rights. Really!! Oh This world /our country has become so Tolerant of everything against God. People really need to have their blinded eyes open to see God!! You take God out of the picture and this is what happens. Promotion of Sin, Immorality, hate, Prejudices, Killings!!! All things of the devil!!!!! God Help Us to See Him and Promote Him-Jesus Christ!! People can argue all day long against for Chick Fil A, the Homosexuals, whatever!! God is God and He is certainly Not to Be Mocked!!!! In Jesus Name-Help us Lord to see and know Truth!!!
Stay strong in your faith and good luck. The numbers are against us who believe.
Calvin. Calm down. You can't realize how silly you sound. Sin. Devil! Satan! Hate! Judgement! Yikes. Thinking like that is the problem, because it ignores reality. The devil? Really? I absolutely respect your right to believe in whatever you want to believe in for the rest of your life. But it stops there. You must respect everyone else's right to believe something else, AND, allow for the fact that they are as right as you. There is no hell. There is no Satan. I can love a God, but not believe in religion. I can respect your right to think I'm wrong. Yet, why does my belief not rely on you burning in hell for disagreeing with you. It sounds like my belief is way more...christian...
This is not make believe or go with your gut. This is real. God is real. The Bible is his word. Time to grow up and realize what you want or think you think is not greater than God.
I am not nearly righteous enough to stop eating their amazing food....
You might not want to. It is a little known fact that they spit in the food. It's a common practice in conservative restaurants.
It's a common known fact that some people are delusional enough to find conspiracy theories in anything.
I understand the gay part, but other than self serving, what does "French-trained", Chef, Server, have to do with going to a fast food restaurant. The chef/server seems oxymoronical. Sounds like the person in charge of the fryer at Mickey
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The author's initial claim as being a lesbian Christian deprives the article of its credibility. Its not a matter being against gays or lesbians, its that the author can't pick and choose what she likes in the Bible and what she doesn't. A straight Christian male/female may be naturally inclined to have pre-marrital sex, but the Bible specifically forbids this. So for that Christian to say "I want to pursue selfish desires so I'll ignore the Bible" makes that person's faith and complete and utter sham. This logic applies to any subject of the Bible that may be challenging to follow.
OMG! We've found the only christian that doesn't cherry-pcik the Bible? Tell me Chris – do you where clothes of mix fabrics? Any Tattoos? Face it, all christians cherry-pick, other wise there wouldn't be so many different types of christains... Just looking for some contsistency here...
I'm gay - can I eat at Chick-fil-A now? ...yeah. Just don't use the bathrooms.
Maybe "gays" should embrace Islam. Then they would know what intolerance really is. Gays are much like Muslims.They want everyone else to respect their views but can't tolerate the views of anyone else.
Welll said. They just need something to complain about apparently. So many bigger issues in the world.
Losing your house because you can't get survivor benefits from your spouse because you happen to be gay isn't a small matter. Being denied the significant financial benefits of marriage is not a small matter. Anything that affects you financially affects not only your quality of life, but can actually be a matter of life and death.
Poor you, looking for a handout? Life isn't fair, deal with it. You do realize that their are children around the world starving, regimes killing innocent people everyday, humans being trafficked into slavery and prostitution...yet you present a sob story like that? Please...Cathy voiced his beliefs and spent his money how he wanted. That's all.
To KW – so since that is something we can do something about, but it isn't as big a social issue/problem/dillema as children starving around the world, then ignore it, don't do anything about it?
Did someone promise you survivor benefits? Did you not understand the consequences of your choice? Or do you just want to do whatever you want and expect the rest of us to ensure your life is a happy one? Hey guess what? There are widows and widowers who have lost their houses, too.
You don't know a damn thing. Thanks for letting us know you're an idiot, though.
That's like saying "teachers are like Muslims" because they insist that their students provide the correct answers on tests. Homosexuals are rightly intolerant of people being ignorant of the truth about homosexuality; correcting misinformation and misperceptions is not a failure to tolerate the other person's right to be wrong, it's an attempt to empower them with the truth.
this is the best comment i've read in a long time.
Maybe conservative Christians should embrace Islam and move to the middle east where traditional attitudes towards sex and marriage have remained virtually unchanged for centuries, so woman are property and gay people are killed.
taskmaster,
Christians are much like Muslims. They have a book full of commands to kill people.
LOL.
"Thou Shall Not Kill"
"Love Your Neighbors as Yourself"
"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar"
etc.
Or are you making a reference to things like the Crusades (whose actions completely contradict what the Bible preaches)? Or maybe when plagues was sent to the ancient Egyptians because they refuse to let go of the Jews/slaves? Ancient documents has shown the Eqyptian's treatment of the Jews bear close resemblance to how the Nazi treated the Jews during WWII. Fire being reigned down and wiping out the ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrha?
It's more about wanting rights and wanting to be treated like normal human beings instead of abominations.
For the most part, this article is presented as a fair, reasonble, rational opinion peice......with the notable exception of the concept that only liberals and homosexuals are entitled to opinions on controversial issues.... lest they be castigated as "HATE MONGERS". The inconvenient truth, however, is that most conservatives do not hate or FEAR homosexuals. When are liberals going to finally acknowledge that not supportting or agreeing with something or someone does not constitute hatred or discrimination ?
Oh look, another idiot who thinks he knows what a 'liberal' is.
Your an Idiot too!
Thanks for helping CT make his point
All conservatives are idiots. What an open minded person.
Who is trying to keep conservatives from having opinions on controversial issues. How many times have we heard them complaining about moral decay and the evils of same sex marriage? How many TV ads have we seen denouncing civil marriage to same sex couples? You complain about anger towards conservatives, but neglect the fact that they regularly call gay Americans sick and perverted in the media on a regular basis.
The conservatives are allowed to believe anything they want. They can think gays are disgusting. They can think we're committing this atroctious sin that will sentence us to hell. I don't really care what the conservatives think about me, as long as I have equal rights under the law. If you're against same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. Its the simple concept – don't tread on me. Stay out of my bedroom. You don't have to agree with my beliefs and I don't have to agree with yours, so give me the same rights and leave me alone.
To all the people that eqate homosexualioty with race; then by that logic if you just happened to be born, female, gay and Black, that makes you a three time minority, or a three time looser, or due for three times more compensatuion for your three times more hardship? I believe there are people born with hormone and genetic imbalances that account for a lot of misunderstandings and condemnation. This is why the Lord Jesus exhorts us not to judge others.
Minorities don't want "more" of anything than anyone else. They want an equal voice, equal opportunities, equal civil rights and equal dignity.
This whole bruhaha was ridiculous. Apparently, only liberals can express their personal political views in this country. Conservatives aren't allowed to express their views.
Dan Cathey is a Christian and, as such, doesn't support homosexual marriage. Which puts him in line with MILLIONS of Christians all across the country. This myth that gay marriage is universally accepted is false. Its not and, again, MILLIONS of Americans still disagree with this lifestyle.
Now, some will say, "Yes, but he owns a business and could discriminate against homosexuals". Ok. But, the fact remains Chick-Fil-A DOESN'T discriminate and has a long track record of hiring open homosexuals.
So, again, what's the problem? The problem is a prominent businessman espoused a political opinion that runs contrary to the liberal philosophy. That's it.
Nothing wrong for him to support any cause that he wants. But, on the other hand my (straight) money doesn't have to go towards supporting homophobic organizations. Chick-Fil-A is off the menu :)
It's got nothing to do with 'liberals', you stupid shit. But of course you feel it's ok to marginalize whoever you don't agree with, so it's fine, right?
The problem is that a prominent businessman stated a political opinion that is nothing more than prejudice.
Nathan (who made the original comment), at least be consistent.
He said:
"I don't call anyone who merely respectfully disagrees a bigot. I do call people who seek to convert their personal beliefs into secular, civil, public policy that LEGALLY restricts the lives, rights, liberty, and property of other people bigots, though."
Does this apply to the Catholic church's resistance to providing birth control? Regardless of how you feel, WHY should the religious views of Catholics be overridden by someone else's right to birth control? Who decides which rights trump other rights? How do you feel about the government deciding what is a legitimate right and what is not?
And what about property and other liberties? The government has a right to take property from you based upon what they, and perhaps the majority, believes is a "fair" amount. Who determines what is fair for me, Nathan? You?
And how about the "right" to healthcare. Great! But if someone has a right to it, someone has to provide it. Who decides whether a physician or other healthcare provider has to provide that care? They don't have to practice but who decides that if they do practice they must do it in a way that provides for you or me? Is it you who decides, Nathan?
And what about guns, Nathan? Who decides what part of the 2nd amendment is a right and what is not? Who decides on the restrictions on that right? You, Nathan?
My point is that as a society, we make those decisions to restrict the rights of other ALL THE TIME. When Nathan agrees with restrictions of those rights...well...that is okay, right Nathan? Apparently, your determination of what is a right and what is not is determined by your ability to get 50% + 1. Thanks for telling me.
And it isnt that there should be no restrictions on anything. That isn't the point. Simply stop pretending that you are better than I am because you are for politically correct rights. Be honest. You are perfectly happy restricting MY rights when it suits your purposes or those you deem to be worthy.
How about we start looking for ways to have the government determine our rights? You can't eliminate their meddling 100%. However, you could start by eliminating the need for government to be involved with ANY marriages, straight, gay or poly. Regardless of how you feel about gay marriage, you could DO WHAT YOU WANT. ONLY IF the government gets out of the marriage business completely.
How about we STOP looking for government to determine our rights. For crying out loud! Need more caffeine. Till, of course, someone like Nathan determines what is an appropriate level of caffeine is for me.
I'll try to at least answer the question regarding birth control. If you own a corporation or other secular business entity that enjoys the protections the government offers such as a corporation protecting personal assets not invested, then the government has the right to make demands of you in exchange for that protection. If you own a sole proprietorship where all of your assets are at stake then the government should stay out of it. So basically if the Catholic Church has religious beliefs that conflict with the governments requirement for owning a secular business they can always choose to stay out of that business.
Dann, you agree with me! The government has the right to restrict a business' rights, whether corporate or individual according to what you, Dann, feels is appropriate.
Which mean, of course, that you believe the government has the power to restrict rights. If Dann agrees with those restrictions, then all is good. If the 50% + 1 agrees to restrict rights, then it is okay.
Again, STOP looking for the government to determine rights if at all possible. You, Dann, are too willing to buy into the premise that government determines rights. Do EVERYTHING YOU CAN to reduce unnecessary (key word) intrusions by government in our lives. Because, friend, it is a dual edged sword. For example, if a gay person is truly threatened, should they be able to defend themselves from a mob with guns (really, that scenario hasn't happened before)? No, leave them with a revolver. Meanwhile the rest of the mob finishes the gay person off after he or she shot all 6 bullets. Do you hate gay people so much Dann, that they shouldn't have all the protection they determine they need?
Eating Chick-fil-A sandwhiches will make you straight. It is more effective than praying away the gay. No quiche or arugula served at Chick-fil-A.
I ate there once- never again. I'm glad to see they're backing down on their anti-gay rhetoric. If anyone tqakes time to read the article above, Chik-fil-A is no longer financially supporting
Chick-fil-A no longer gives funds to “the most divisive anti-LGBT groups.” If anything, Chik-fil-A is backing down, and this is a win for GLBTs. That said, their food sucks, and I wouldn't ever eat there.
The last time I ate there there food made me sick – not ever going back to one of these places. It is on the list of the worst food out there.
Folks like you and like in thinking like Obama and the democratic party are sick sick sick! Now anyone can eat the good food a Wendy's. But to the question "I am gay can I eat at Wendys now? Answer only when you know for sure rather
the chicken was "GAY" or a QUEER chicken. I love freedom of speech without malice you guys think you can attack Americans who are not warped get a grip on it
all you nutbags that claim to know ME need to get a friggin clue... i think you are baaatshiiiit insane... this country was founded on FREEDOM OF AND FROM ANY AND ALL RELIGIONS... "In God we trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782
You my friend, need a serious History lesson.
This nation was formed on Christian values and its laws and values are right out of the bible.
This nations stance on separation of church and state and freedom of religion is NOT about dismissing religion, its about everyone's right to practice their own religion and to keep the state from setting a national religion.
Muslims and Christians alike are allowed the same freedom to practice their religion.
Learn the difference between NO religion and ANY religion.
You, my friend, need to take your own advice and study actual history instead of the make-believe fantasy "history" spread by Christian propaganda. One minute Christians are declaring that the United States is a Christian-only nation, the next they're whining and crying about how persecuted they are and that there's a "war on Christmas".
thou shalt not LIE... xtians don't own JACK shiiiiiit when it comes to values and morals ... they CLAIM them like thieving bandits in the night to justify their silly belief s... ALL LAWS ARE BASED IN Hammurabi and he got his from even earlier ... you lying thieving cultists just adopted them... duuumbaaaa ssss
And the pastor who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance didn't have "under God" in the words.
I wouldn't eat there anyway. They close on Sunday and some of the profits are probably going to advocate political policies I don't support. Separate your religion from your business..
I don't think it's fair to say "separate your religion from your business." I think most people would agree that being a hypocrite is a bad thing, and if you believe that keeping the Sabbath Day holy is important, how can you justify requiring thousands of employees to break that religious law? And encouraging thousands of people to break that by coming to your restaurant? When you really BELIEVE something, you should live according to those beliefs in all aspects of your life, public and private.
Why do you people think I even care?
"I am gay -can I eat at Chick-Fil-A now?" No, the additives in that stuff will make you a hermaphrodite.
I think everyone in America needs to step back, loosen their sphincter muscles, take a deep breath, and try to relax. We are Americans, Conservatives, Liberals, straights, LGBT, white, black, brown, yellow, religious, non-religious. All our differences make us a great nation, but attacking each other for our ideas are not. There's a fine line between constructive argument and verbal assault, it is getting crossed over far too much. If you are upset because of someone’s view points, well that’s okay, don’t ask for them again, but they do have a right to have them. When someone tries to change someone else, force them to believe something else, that’s wrong. If Chick-fil-A’s CEO wants to believe in a certain philosophy, live a certain religious belief, that’s okay, and if LGBT oriented people disagree, that’s okay, just so as either side does not act on those beliefs in such a way to violate any part of the U.S. Constitution, Federal guidelines and laws, or state and local laws and regulations . Has Chic-fil-A done that? No. Do people feel offended by how they think? Yes. Don’t eat there. I find it offensive for him to think that way, but I also think it is his right, and in how ever what way my disabled body and somewhat sound mind could do, I will defend that right, just as I would defend the rights of all LGBT to live in a life style they chose under the protection of the state and Federal laws. We all desire to live in a world of religious and philosophical freedom.
I don’t eat there because I don’t like chicken. My wife does. A restaurant could have a CEO that was a Bolshevik, and if the food was good, and as long as he did not discriminated against who came in, I would eat there.
Take a break America, stop attacking each other.
Here's what I don't understand about this whole debate: if Christians are intolerant, bigoted, and hateful because we believe that homosexual behavior is a sin (I am a Christian; I'm not going to sit here and debate with you what God has already declared in the Bible, especially if you don't believe in it; I'm not going to argue my faith with you, the legitimacy of it, the reality of it, the intelligence of it, the need for it, none of that; if you don't believe as I do, then that's actually fine with me and I respect you no less because of it), then why is it OK to be just as intolerant, bigoted, and hateful toward Christians simply because we believe in something, or see something in a way, that you do not?
I feel like the author arguing that she doesn't believe the protests were in support of freedom of speech as much as they were in support of suppressing gay rights seems to me to be not only extremely high-minded and presumptuous... so you really know what's in the minds and hearts of every Christian Chik-fil-A patron? Wow. It's actually downright insulting. Just as the next American has the right to express their personal beliefs about and supported by their faith, or lack thereof if that's their preference, so do Christians. The right to espouse those beliefs, though, does NOT mean that everyone has to agree with and acquiesce to them. Admittedly, this is the problem that the modern day ultra-conservative, politically-motivated Christians have created. I don't agree with you, so I'm going to make you act in a way that I believe to be right by trying to pass laws that will hopefully keep you from acting wrong. But it seems that people who disagree with Christians about homosexuality have the same problem. I don't agree with you, so I'm going to declare that you're hateful, evil, and intolerant because you don't accept what I believe to be right; I'm going to publicly shame you and invalidate you and your beliefs because I don't agree with them. Listen, the fact that you don't agree with someone else's beliefs does not negate that person's right to have and espouse them. We're all pretty much acting like spoiled, tantrumy children on this one, I feel.
My fellow Christians, we sincerely need to get out of the business of politics and of trying to use legislation to force everyone else to live by a moral code that we know we can only live by through developing a relationship with Jesus Christ. And if we Christians are really really honest with ourselves, every single one of us knows how hard it is to live obediently to God in some areas of our lives (whichever area of your life that you struggle with, and everyone has an area, even though everyone's area is different) even WITH the help of the Holy Spirit, so these high-minded, sanctimonious "At-least-I-don't-sin-like-you-and-that-makes-your-sin-WORSE" blowhards who want to make everyone holy by passing laws to control behavior instead of loving people where they are (which is what the Bible commands us to do – tell the truth IN LOVE) so that some people just might want to know about this Jesus we keep talking about just gets under my doggoned skin. They make me ashamed that they claim to share my faith. But, alas, I have to love them, too.
Non-Christians, it would be nice if, when we Christians do disagree with you, especially if we do so respectfully, you not resort to demonizing our faith, questioning our intelligence because of our faith (so you think it's all a bunch of fairy tales and God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit don't exist and are figments of our fertile, dependent, child-like imaginations – fine, point taken, whatever works for you, move on and thank you), and hateful name-calling and bullying BECAUSE we disagree with you. Just like you don't want to be forced to live by Christian standards you don't believe in through legislation, Christians don't want to be made to live by standards we don't believe in by intimidation.
This "I don't believe in what you're doing, so you have to do what I say based on what I believe in or shut up and sit down" attitude on BOTH sides of this issues is ignorant, childish, and TIRED. Not to mention polarizing and counterproductive. NOBODY wins when we all act like this. NOBODY.
Because your "belief" is that gay people are beneath you and that they are going to spend eternity in damnation..... That's why you fool. I bet you if you were born gay (as they are), you wouldn't agree with your Master's point of view.
I am a conservative Christian, but I don't believe that all LGBT people are going to burn in hell or anything like that. I believe everyone will be judged according to their thoughts and actions and individual situations, and I'm glad it's not up to me to decide that stuff. Everyone has challenges and everyone sins. The main reason I am against gay marriage is not because I believe I can change people's behavior – I'm sure many gay couple are already entrenched in their relationships and getting married only changes their legal status, not their behavior. The main reason I am against it is because it's not a simple thing to change the definition of marriage after millennia. I honestly believe there will be unforeseen consequences down the road to society in general and everyone's calling for this change without much thought or research as to what this means in the long run. I believe in being kind and tolerant to all people, but I have a right to vote my conscience when it comes to changing laws.
Thanks for proving part of my point.
So wrong, God doesn't make mistakes. One is not born gay you make a choice when you reach the age of accountability.
go ahead.....it's ground up kats anyway......not real chicken.
Gays are frustrated that we don't tolerate their diversity when all we want is for you to address the genetic malfunction that makes you desire your own gender. Address your illness, assimilate and enjoy the rights you deserve.
You would consider homosexuality a genetic defect, when nearly all species of creature are known to engage in homophilia? Sorry, but nature says it's natural. And primate study says that all simians are isexual in nature and learn their social role through behaviour.
If being gay is an illness it will have an ICD-9 code or a new ICD-10 code.
Please post the ICD-9 and 10 codes showing being gay is an illness.
250.00
ICD-9 code 250.00 is the code for Diabetes. Care to try again?
I know, I work in healthcare. I was being facetious
Gays should be searching for a cure, (scientists are now saying it is a genetic disorder), rather than trying to force acceptance and tolerance. Most humans don't react well to "force." Which is probably why all there are so many against the gays. If they would stop with the "force," they might get more pity and at least tolerance, until a cure is found for their genetic defect.
There is not a word to describe how dumb you are.
"Gays should be searching for a cure, (scientists are now saying it is a genetic disorder),"
Being born gay is a normal natural variant of sexual orientation, just like being born straight. Thus, since it is not disease, there is nothing to cure.
And please post the names of all these scientists who say being born gay is a genetic disorder.
The idea of a "genetic diorder" is ludicrous. I do not believe anybody is "born" with any desire for the OPPOSISTE sex but is conditioned by their environment e.g. take a look at a kindergarten class: Boys play with boys and Girls play with Girls and are generally at odds with each other, the bonds of Male Male or Female Female relationship are sewn and then later due to societal pressures, mommy and daddy etc. the prescriped and accepted behaviors i.e. being straight are adhered to with a few exceptions of people that do not follow societal norms because they believe them to be false. Long and short being gay is not a "genetic disorder" any more than being "straigtht" is a trained activity like seals balancing balls on their noses or dogs jumping through hoops.
"Gays should be searching for a cure, (scientists are now saying it is a genetic disorder),"
Being born gay is a normal natural variant of sèxual orientation, just like being born straight. Thus, since it is not disease, there is nothing to cure.
And please post the names of all these scientists who say being born gay is a genetic disorder.
There is not a word to describe how dumb you are. You seem to be able to use a computer, try google. There have been articles lately, even on CNN.
LOL!! This has GOT to be the most hilarious thing I've read in a long time! What scientists are these exactly? I would recommend to stop embarrasing yourself and just keep these ridiculous comments to yourself. And keep your pity, I sure dont need it. But you definitely have mine LMAO...made my weekend :)
Your ignorance is sad republicer. I'm married male and will not support chickfila bigotry. Funny how they responded to profit and patronage numbers....
Republiker just came out of the closet. He loves others with the "same orientation" as he. LOL !!
I agree with the basic premise that, as a species that reproduces sexually, our design calls for us to be attracted to the opposite sex. I disagree with classifying homosexuality as an illness, since an illness is a "state of poor health". The WHO considers a person healthy if they have a state of "physical, mental and social well-being", which I believe that most homosexuals have, unless the harassment of others is harming their physical, mental or social well-being. Furthermore, medication and the science of pharmacology is used to cure or reduce symptoms of an illness. There is no medicine to change a person's sexual orientation and there probably never will be.
Da*n, really? Ok, then lets deal with the genetic malfuntion of blue eyes and how about red hair. Oh, and the dominant gene is for six fingers on a hand (if you have one five finger gene and one six finger gene you have six fingers). So lets FIX every genetic malfuntion. Let's start with being like nuns of a previous generation and get the rulers out and ready for left handers. But since this particular malfuntion makes you uncomfortable, by all means, let's fix it.
Can I be on the committee that determines what is a malfunction? I'll be sure to find one that you have and get it fixed.
This would be a great article if it at least just attempted to be accurate. The LGBT boycott was not "subsequent" to the appreciation day. The boycott was called well before the appreciation day was organized. In fact there was no appreciation day organized until politicians like Rahm Emanuel started making statements to the effect that his city government would attempt to find ways to put the area Chik-fil-As out of business and called on other municipalities to do the same. It was only THEN that the idea of an appreciation day was advanced.
As for your claim that it was a "thinly veiled protest against homosexuals", I suppose it's your right to see any imaginary monster in your closet as you wish. Whatever helps you rationalize your demagoguery. I will tell you this though, I am libertarian, I am an outspoken critic of gay marriage bans and yes...after Rahm Emanuel's comments I was proudly at Chik-fil-A on appreciation day protecting their right to free speech against tyrants like him and the government suppression of fundamental rights those like him so readily advocate on an a la carte basis.
The only "hate" groups I'm aware of are liberals and gays. Why should we be "required" to tolerate them?
I agree, why should I be required to tolerate Jews and Blacks either.
Darn liberals.
They ruin everything.
Pffftttsslluupr !! Chick-fil-A blooork urrppellblee !! *poot* ^
Then you are aware of very little. You need to get out more.
Well, we tolerate you, Dude.
We should stop tolerating the intolerant.
Exactly as you that have replied have said. No one should have to "tolerate" anyone or anything they do not wish to. Political correctness is getting way outta hand.
Nie try, troll! Go fuck yourself.
So, which are you, liberal or gay? I would guess gay, from the language you use.
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).
I hope you don't eat shrimp either. I hope you sacrifice an ox on your front lawn. I hope you condone slavery. All right there in Leviticus.
I think it is easier to support the bible when all I have to do is hate what other people do, and don't have to change what I do.
Actually if you study the bible we are not bound by the old testament law, but there are three different types of law in the old testament. Specifically in leviticus there were
Civil – Expired with the demise of the Jewish civil government
Justice practices (Lev. 24:17-23)
Law of property redemption (Lev. 25)
Be just with the poor, (Lev. 19:15)
Do not hate in your heart (Lev. 19:17)
Retain just scales in commerce (Lev. 19:35f)
Robbery, extortion, false witness, and restitution (Lev. 6:1-7)
Ceremonial – Expired with the fulfillment of priestly work of Christ (Matt. 3:15)
Various sacrificial offerings for sin (Lev. 1,2,3,4,5,6).
Priestly duties (Lev. 7:1-37)
Laws on animals for food (Lev. 11:1-47)
Cleaning house of leper (Lev. 14:33-57)
Law of Atonement (Lev. 16:1-28;17:1-16)
Regulations for Priests (Lev. 21,22)
Festivals (Lev. 23:1-25)
Moral – No Expiration because it is based on God’s character. “You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy,” (Lev. 19:2)
Do not steal or lie (Lev. 19:12)
Do not oppress your neighbor (Lev. 19:13)
No idolatry (Lev. 26:1-13)
Don’t sacrifice children to Molech (Lev. 20:1-5)
Don’t commit adultery, incest, bestiality, homosexuality, etc. (Lev. 20:9-21)
You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Lev. 19:18)
So you see here we do not follow the first type of laws, but shall always follow the moral laws.
Leviticus also sends you to hell for shaving your beard.
People that quote the Old Testament on current issues are morons. The reason it even exists is so we can better understand the massive changes that occur in the New Testament.
Proper use of hermeneutics also means you don't put modern cultural reference or importance on a translation from ancient texts, not to mention that this was written in old Hebrew, which is a dead language.
Here are some NT for ya then, i see no changes...
Matthew 11:20-24
Matthew 15:4
Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21 (all same idea)
And thats just the start, I see no changes
And yet Jesus says a couple times in the NT that his daddy's bizarre, sick, sadistic, psychotic, schizophrenic rules and laws remain in play until heaven and earth pass away. I don't know what's happening where you live, but where I'm at, the earth is still here.
@Prime some of the versus your looking for...
Matthew 5:18-19
Luke 16:17
Matthew 5:17
Mark.7:9-13
'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD. "Leviticus 19:28"
Please read the remainder of Leviticus and begin your protest of shrimp, non-well done steaks, cutting your hair, shaving your face, and clothing made of two fabrics. I know that many will appreciate your commitment to adhering to the Bible fully and not just plucking out parts that you find convenient like the majority of others.
It really upsets me when Christians use the Old Testament to support bigotry. Let's find somewhere in the New Testament where Jesus said it's ok to hate people who aren't like you. Oh wait, I don't think that exists. Leviticus also says that if a woman is not a virgin when she gets married, she should commit suicide. Do you support that as well?
I agree with you. The old testament have a lot of laws that were man created. Yes, Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, but Paul's letter to the roman church does mention that homosexualaity is an abomination. "For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."
(Romans 1:26-27 ESV)
just sayin'
Oh it exists, here are a few of them
Matthew 11:20-24
Matthew 15:4
Kind find more at http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
Any person who curseth his father or mother must be killed
~Leviticus 20:9
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be cut off from their people
~Leviticus 20:18
People who have flat noses, or are blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God
~Leviticus 21:17-18
And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
~Leviticus 11:7-8
In the second verse you referenced – Leviticus 20:13 – your god commands that you kill gays. How many have you killed?
Ahh yes, let's continue to live our lives by the 2000 year old writings of a handful of men who had no concept of what a modern world would be like. And naturally the Bible is the final authority. That was the case when it was used by the church to justify years of senseless Holy Wars and also to hide the abhorrent behavior of its own clergy. That Bible, it's a timeless classic.
And oddly enough, he has not replied to any of your replies. Very strange.
You are a sad little turd
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. - Jesus
If you wrote that post wearing more then one fabric, then you are an f&^$ing hypocrite.
Judges 19:22-30, Leviticus 25:44-46, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 17:12, Leviticus 20:9, Exodus 21:15 See i can point out evil stupid things in the bible too, its not that hard, it is the great book of hate anyway.
"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mark 16:16
Nope, I keep reading and I don't see anywhere that it says "unless you're gay" in this verse or any verse after...
What?!?! Jesus doesn't say anything about homosexuals? In any part of any of the four Gospels??? The only mentions of homosexuality are Old Testament and New Testament outside the Gospels???
You're presuming that your source is subscribed to by the person you're trying to convince?
Moral and Ethical issues trump the love of their chicken sandwich. If your gay, you should not support them.
I agree with you; I hope I NEVER have to see another gay person at Chic-fil-a. It would nice to sit and enjoy my meal.
Um, you're a chef. Make your own perfect half and half tea. I am married and Catholic. I am furious that the evangelical sect in all Christian religions has decided that trying to control everyone else's relationship to God is their primary focus. Jesus was not political. He lived his life as an example.I seriously doubt he would be urging people to donate their money to hateful, aggressive anti-gay organizations in his name. He would shake his head and tell us – again -that we are missing the point. Gay people are not "broken" or sinners. You cannot convert a gay person any more than you can convert a heterosexual person. But Chik Fil A stopped sending their money to those organizations. So it's a step of recognition that perhaps they were not acting as they should be. Food is a wonderful unifier. Imagine if people stopped eating at a restaurant because the owners are gay. If I find out they are outwardly racist etc. I will not go there anymore. People are entitled to believe what they want. Prejudiced thoughts are not a crime. (Perhaps that is their burden from God?) Treating people poorly/cruelly based on those thoughts is what makes me take my money elsewhere. I've never eaten there and never wanted to after that disgraceful "appreciation day." I might just stop by there myself now.
Chick- fil-A announced that they are running a special this month on the alternative lifestyle chicken sandwhich.
It's only the militant gays and delusional liberals that have made an issue out of this. No Christians that I know hate gay people. We only think that it is unconscionable for the church or the state to recognize marriage between two people of the same sex.
Enjoy your Chick-fl-A. Think for yourself.
"We only think that it is unconscionable for the church or the state to recognize marriage between two people of the same sex."
Why should your religious beliefs determine who can have civil rights?
Why does your church get to decide who gets equal rights?
Maybe the people lining up for Appreciation Day were actually saying, "we support the owners of Chick-fil-A, as private citizens, to exercise their 1st Amendment rights". and "we reject the attempts of intolerant groups to silence them with organized coercion".
That sounds like hate speech to me. Report for re-education immediately!
Well said, and exactly right. That's why this article is just plain dumb.
But it's fine and dandy when Cathy and his companies fund the hate groups who want to criminalize being gay?
Liberals will call anything not in line with their own beliefs a "hate group." Grow up.
Funny... conservatives will call anyone that doesn't agree with their religious and political beliefs a "liberal"
Denying rights based on sexual preference is hateful. YOU grow up and learn to respect others for who they are.
Nice post. Yet you clearly missed the point.
Who is denying rights? I'm all for gay rights, but I also support the right to voice your beliefs and opinions and Cathy did. He is also free to spend his money as he sees fit. But to call an organization a "hate group" or assume they want to criminalize gays is assuming way too much. This whole thing was blown way out of proportion by people like you.
Pretty much spot on.
"we reject the attempts of intolerant groups to silence them with organized coercion".
That's what we were saying at our last KKK rally.
It's our right to hate blacks and jews. Who are these people to tell us we can't hate blacks and jews. Who are they to try to silence us when we talk about our hatred of blacks and jews.
Thanks for your support!!!!
It's one thing to disagree with a groups lifestyle. It's a completely different situation to hate on people for race. There is no comparison, and you are clearly an idiot.
Since straight and gay are genetic, it's not as if adhering to your genetic makeup is a lifestyle choice, you are what you are. In that aspect, it is the same as being racist, they can't help being black, hispanic, etc... they were born that way and intolerance based on things that cannot be changed (and how God made them if you belive in God) then there is something fundamentally wrong with that.
Your god teaches you to hate. My God teaches me to Love--God Bless You!!!!
"It's one thing to disagree with a groups lifestyle"
Se xual orientation is not a lifestyle. It is innate biological preference. Smart people know the difference, and never ever refer to H omos exual ity, hete rose xual ity, or bis exuality as a "lifestyle".
Therefor you are a complete idiot.
It's just like flying the Confederate Battle Flag to support states rights and celebrate the glories of the Confederacy. There are still certain people that see it as something quite different, such as the fight to preserve the states right to allow slavery, and the battle against freedom.
And maybe a swastika is just a plus sign doing a cartwheel, but I friggin' doubt it.
What does this have to do with the 1st Ammendment? Did Cathy get thrown in jail? Did the Government fine him? It's funny when people get confused about the Constitution.
It's also funny that people were surprised that the executives at Chik-fil-a were against same sex marriage.
Exactly. Having principles and beliefs by a business owner is not in violation of anything and separation of church and state doesn't apply in this case.
And people making purchasing decisions based on said business' philosophies or criticizing said businesses for those philosophies does not violate the 1st ammendment.
I've been to chik-fil-a exactly once (it was OK but does ANYBODY really like waffle fries?) and left knowing beyond all doubt that the company was not for same sex marriage.
It would be right to assert this as a 1st Amendment issue if, and only if the government had tried to silence Chick. They didn't. A group of people disagreed with Chick's "speech" as expressed through their investments. Both sides freely expressed themselves. Therefore, no one's free speech was even close to being suppressed. If the 1st Amendment were the reason that those people lined up, then they don't understand the First Amendment, or the situation. And, I think you are right. I think they were out there supporting an Amendment that they don't understand.
You could have eaten there before. Trust me, nothing has changed and the CEO still adopts traditional family values....not any sort of gay stance. He wants your money and doesn't care what kind of immoral lifestyle you lead
Why is it I always associate Chick-fil-A with toothless teabilly inbreds?
A mirror?
Because you're an a$$clown and that's just what a$$clowns do.
Because you're an idiot?
because you've been to one.
Because your a JUDGMENTAL LIBERAL TWIT WHO THINKS PEOPLE HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU TO BE INTELLIGENT?
No people don't have to agree with ME to be intelligent. It's just impossible for them to agree with you and be intelligent you inbred teabilly.
I'd bet you've never actually looked up the word "bigot", because if you had you'd know that you are one.
Because that is who eats there.
One of them runs it.
Look, we all as a society need to grow up. I am a Christian that believes in the Bible, but I don't "hate" gay people. Now I don't agree with their lifestyle, so therefore all I can do is pray for them because the Bible does say that it is a sin, just like lying, stealling, cheating, etc. To my Christian brothers and sisters, we need to do our best to witness to those who are gay by loving them, and showing them that God's love. I feel the CEO of Chick-Fil-A had every right to say what he said, just like those in the gay lifestyle do. Please, let's stop this childish behavior.
Except that their CEO did more than just say. He donated millions of dollars to a christian program in Uganda that spurred a public witchhunt and mass murder of homosexuals. This group also paid to help pass laws that give the death penalty for gays. So the CEO for Chik-fil-A can be seen as a major facilitator in taking his philosophy to a genocidal level. It's disgusting enough of a thought that I can never and will never eat there again.
"Now I don't agree with their lifestyle"
Se xu al orientation is not a lifestyle. It is inherent psychose xual orientation.
When people like you call it a "lifestyle" those of us who actually know what the scientific terms mean think that you are a complete imbecile.
So, you can continue to call it a lifestyle, and the smart people on earth will think you are an idiot, or you can start calling it orientation.
Your choice. (unlike orientation)
Actually it is a "lifestyle", ' It's a way one lives their life, is that not correct? Some people choose to live their lives as party animals. That is their lifestyle. Others chose to read, and became teachers so they could inspire others; that is their lifestyle.
@Sarsar
The controversy lies in the inherent incinuation that the word "lifestyle" involves a choice–one CHOOSES to be a party animal. However, the word "orientation" refers to a natural state that has no basis in personal choice–one does not CHOOSE to be born a man or woman.
The argument then becomes whether or not being gay is a choice. Many feel, as it seems you do, that it is a choice. This leads people to believe that it is a WRONG choice. On the other hand, many people (myself included) feel that it is NOT a choice.
If it had been a choice, I would not be gay. I grew up in a conservative Southern Baptist family in Texas. I struggled with my sexual orientation until college. I prayed every night that God would take this "sin" away. I sought counseling and therapy. This was not my choice–I did not want to be gay.
Now I am a proud, educated, gay man. Because I have lived it in my life, I know the truth about this "choice." I also know that when someone says it is a choice, that also infers that I was too weak to make the "right" choice; they are incinuating that my faith was not strong enough, that I didn't pray hard enough, that I actually wanted this to happen. I pity those people. If that's the way you want to believe, then perhaps I am gay because YOU were not faithful enough to pray away my gay.
To my aunt who is fasting and praying for my homosexuality: 1) Keep praying, 'cause it's not workin'. 2) Keep fasting, 'cause that ain't workin' either, honey.
Actually it is a "lifestyle"
Actually it is not.
Only a scientifically ignorant dimwit would make that comment. Lifestyle has nothing to do with orientation. I chose to travel often, and I don't have any pets. That is a lifestyle. I am also heter ose xual. That is my innate orientation.
I have two friends who have hom ose xual orientation. They share the exact same orientation. One chose to get married, one choose to stay single. They have opposite lifestyles.
Have I dumbed this down enough for someone of your obviously low IQ to understand this, or do I need to draw stick figures?
Let me get this straight.....The protest was about Chick-fil-A's donations to charity going to groups that gays say hate them. Now, the company has stoppped donating to those organizations and had a LGBT memeber confirm this by reviewing all of their records and charities they now donate to. After all this, gays still won't eat there? After you "won" and made change, you won't go back????
LOL – Just goes to show that the LGBT folks as just as hypocritical as the rest of us!!!
You speak the truth.
I have a lot of gay friends who hate the whole "gay community" for their hypocrisy. We laugh at the causes they try to take up, all the while children in the world are starving and oppressive regimes are killing innocents. They ignore those things, but rain hate upon a statement given to a Baptist journal. Real adult.
Personally I stopped eating there a decade ago when they started dropping pamphlets of the ten commandments in your to-go sacks. I've had friends that got Jack Chick tracts before. It's appalling and a person should be able to eat without being preached to on such a personal and pedantic level.
When a politician flip-flops on your most important issue to agree with you, do you immediately support him? Don't be so gullible and naive.
This article is the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. Way to go CNN.
What is the first word in the title??? Who's dumber, you or CNN?
"The truth is that Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day was not about freedom of speech. It was simply a thinly veiled protest against homosexuals, period."
I'm sorry, but your article was very good....but completely lost me with the above statement I fully support any person's right to live their life however they want, but I was at Chik-fil-A on the anointed "Appreciation" day. I was there because I fully support a business owner's right to choose what they do with their profits. I was also there because this statement was news as much as announcing the sky was blue. No one should have been surprised by this, the Cathy family values have been well known since their first sandwich was made > 50 years ago.
Don't paint everyone with a broad brush. Isn't that what you want? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Some good words to live by.
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ARAAGGGHG BAUGH BAUGH
I'd rather kiss a wookie.
What he said.
Chick-Fil-A has become a hatemongers club wrapped in sheeps' clothing. It's not about the food ... it's about the hate. And they call themselves Christians. Shameful.
You are the one who is confused and should be ashamed.
Go back to your cave thumper before the light fries you..
Diatribes, you are an idiot.
Ska-douche...
The author states very emphatically 4-5 times, " I refuse to believe, I refuse to believe. Thats her problem. To her its all about her and what she refuses to believe. It aint all about you honey.
I disagree that that the Support Day last summer was a show against homosexuals, well maybe except for Huckabee. I think it was more about supporting Truitt Cathy who is a good man and who does wonderful things for people and young people. He didn't deserve to have eggs thrown his way . He owns a business, and happens to be a Christian. We all let our core beliefs dictate how we run our lives and I have never seen him impose any of his beliefs on anyone except for closing on Sunday, and frankly, that is a good thing. We all need to chill one day a week. I cried tears at his battering, he is a good southern man, reminds me of my father, and he would never have intentionally hurt anyone, hetero or homo. Leave him his own convictions as we all have them.
I don't think the fairy in the sky would condone discrimination from anyone, even if you read his book every Sunday.
Looks like the 'Activists" are a bit miffed at Virginia for not jumping on their bandwagon.
So they decided to oppress her speech by falsely reporting her website to Websense as malicious. Cause you know, the lefties don't like speech they don't like.
Mr Cathy never said he hated gays nor has he ever refused to serve them in his restaurants. He simply state his faith.
That doesn't make a hate group.
We need to remember that tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty — these are Christian virtues. Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominate and then it seeks to silence good. We should be mindful when the secular world demands tolerance for all, tolerance for all means we cannot have standards of our faith to live by, because those standards obviously require we be intolerant of sins this world has embraced. We are to love each other but that doesn't mean that we have to accept what goes against God. And it doesn't make us a hate group. Just trying to obey God's word.
Amen!
"We need to remember that tolerance is not a Christian virtue"
That is glaringly obvious.
It should be.
why are there no groups dedicated to doing all they can do stop fornication ? groups dedicated towards ending divorce ? two things the bible hates. i dont understand why homosexuality has become the one thing – why stop there go after al the things the bible forbids – like eating fish . Go all the way .
Please understand that though I oppose gay marriage and government sanctioning or favoring ANY marriage, feel free to make any statement you wish. But please, be consistent. Maybe you whine about corporate greed as well. Do you vett the corporation you work for or purchase goods from to ensure they don't make too much money? Who decides what a greedy margin is, or is not? Do you drive? If so, you have car insurance. What about greedy insurance companies? Apparently your need to drive trumps your desire to reduce greed. Ever buy products from China? Any? They are the biggest polluters in the world. But who cares, right? They make cheap products you need to look trendy. How about banking? Do you vett the bank to make sure they do everything above board? How about hospitals? The evil Catholics want to eliminate birth control. If you, or any of your family, require emergency care do you go to the closest hospital, even if Catholic, or do you say to risk your life and go to the politically correct hospital? And for your entertainment. If the TV station you watch carries any religious programming with a message with which you disagree, do you stop watching that station? How about if they accept commercials from evil hate companies or groups?
Nawwww. Your concern over politically correct issues stops when it inconveniences you. How about this one; when you start living the pure life that makes you uncomfortable, then let us talk about how you understand what should, and should not, be done with the money of others. Until then, you'll pick an easy target and then go about your life boring us about how wonderful you are for not eating a chicken sandwich.
"pure" life? Are you telling me YOU live a pure life? And who defines that, you? God? When Jesus came back to earth, not once did he speak of homosexuality...not once. He said to "love thy neighbor as thyself." Guess what he didn't say? He didn't say that all men are created equal as long as they live by certain rules, what He did say was to the pharisees - the holier than thou men who believed their way was God's way...he had a few things to say to them, in fact So, who are you?
flash, flash, flash. You miss the point. I am, by no stretch of the imagination, living the pure life. The point I am trying to make is that it is easy to say that you won't eat at Chick-fil-A when that decision causes you no real pain. I can't tell you how many progressives I know that make their livings in a large corporation and then rail against big business. That's like a german citizen willingly working in a munitions plant for Nazi Germany and then calling themselves a pacificst. Or a vegan working in a meat packing plant.
Translation for you; it is easy to boycott a company when your action causes you no discomfort. Will you live up to your own standards if it causes you hardship? Perhaps you will, flash. However, many don't.
We'd rather you didn't. It's the last vestige of sanctimony of all things that are holy and good.
What now that the gays have crapped on marriage.
Oh right, well considering the average marriage might last five years nowadays, I would say marriage has already been flushed down the crapper. Institution my azz..
I had to stop reading after the first two sentences of the 7th paragraph. After that you lose all credibility as a writer on the subject. And sister you better believe it. You are not right with the Lord. Period.
Says who? Your a follower of a preacher and not a follower of God. If you were a follower of God you wouldn't need to go to a church and listen to a preacher spreading his hate.
Says the God thru the Holy Bible. These are not made up facts. This is the WORD of GOD. Dont try to twist it to your liking.
Twist to my liking? You would rather believe a book rather then yourself and God? You must believe Harry Potter is real then to huh?
I believe and trust in God and the Holy Bible. I fully admit it and honor it.
Good. Now we know you are the problem in this country. People like you have decided to listen and believe in a book and a preacher. To believe in God you must first believe in yourself and believing in yourself doesn't mean listening to a preacher spread his opinion about God. Pretty sad that an Atheist like myself knows more about God then an individual like yourself.
As an atheist you know nothing about God and will not be forgiven until you accept God in your life.
Taco Bender. I have come from a rich and fruitful family of multiple religions. I have a family that has a mixture of religions like Islam, Christianity, Lutheran, and many others. Now many people have wondered how a family such as mine has survived over the years without cracking due to religious beliefs and it is because we do not care about the families religion. All we cared about is living the life as everyone else is and my family has taken the issue of Christianities insane mission to prevent people from ever being allowed to be married in this country very seriously. As a religious family we find your way of life immoral and shouldn't be allowed to continue spreading its lies and hate to further their goal of destabilizing this country for your extreme religious beliefs. Our founding fathers created the Separation of Church and State for a reason. Time for you too read your history and understand it.
That explains a lot. I will have my church pray for you and your family to see the light and be touched by the true Lord and Savior.
Separation of Church and State taco bender. Separation of Church and State. A part of history that you can't run away from and something you will have to deal with for the rest of your life. No one is going to change it to support your ideology.
Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Taco bender great quote. Notice the word "freemen," not a select few men?
And why do you feel you have authority to speak for the lord?
He has already spoken. I am just a follower of the message.
A book told you, not God.
Not just a book. The word of the Lord.
taco bender do you really think the lord needs a book to tell you to believe in him?
"Not just a book. The word of the Lord."
Written by men. Which word of God should we follow in these United States of Theocracy??? Yours? Mine? Your neighbor?
Kudos to you! I stopped reading the article as well after she mention she is lesbian! Christian and lesbian don't go together. you're either a christian a follower of Christ and His commands or lesbian – sin condemn by the Bible and an abomination – “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).
Gee, another pick and choose christian. How surprising
Oh, we're going to quote Leviticus? Okay, well, let's go with that. Leviticus 19:28 forbids tattoos. Leviticus 19:19 forbids blended fabrics. Leviticus 11:10 forbids the consumption of shellfish. Heck, all through Leviticus 11 many foods are forbidden, including pork. Why is it that those who oppose homosexuality always quote Leviticus yet place no importance or value in all of the other stuff Leviticus forbids. If the religious conservatives actually lived according to the bible - and not just used cherry-picked quotes to support their hate - they would have a lot more credibility.
You are clearly "A simple guy".
I am disappointed in YOU....
Yikes...bible-thumpers-r-us everywhere! So, Christianity is the only game in town? Don't think so...I don't care to live my life according to some book written 2000 years ago about a group of guys that idolized somebody walking aroung in sandals talkin bout sin...ain't ever gonna change...you either believe in a supreme being or you don't...arguing about beliefs is a losing battle on all sides...crap, we're talkin 'bout chicken sandwiches here made by a company full of bigots...
You are not a true American. Our nation was built upon the bible and our savior. Love it or leave it.
please don't come knockin on my door tryin to convert me...so, we take all the non-christians and shoot them or what? this is what i mean by bigot...and i don't want to leave, so there!
If you were a true american you would stand for morals!
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).
Our nation was built by people running AWAY from an oppressive religion. Read a book.
Read a dollar freakin bill. IN GOD WE TRUST! What do they put their hand on in court? Wake up. I have read hundreds of books. It is you who is blind and ignorant to our nations values not I.
Hey taco bender. Separation of Church and State. Created by our founding fathers. Deal with it.
taco bender you are an IDI0T... in me we trust was added in 1956 at the height of communism to act as a slap in their mostly atheist faces. "In God we trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782
@tacobender – In god we trust is written on the bills but there is no mention of a Christian God. And in court you put your hand on YOUR holy book ie torra or Koran. You also dont have to use any
@tacobender: Sir you are incorrect, most of our countries founders were actually Deist's and believed in free spirituality.....read a book once in awhile. Bible-thumpers like yourself are a creation that we invented because people want to be able to look down on others. I am 100% sure I don't need some book written by a bunch of people (remember only winners write history) to tell me what MORALS are. So next time you decide to spurt off that America was based on religion, just remember you are only half right you hypocrite. Have fun judging others you prick!
Idiot. It was also built for freedom of oppression, something you superstitious people only want to recognize when it works in your favor.
fvck off, taco bender. this country was founded based on freedom of religion.
Freedom of religion and a built on God are two different stories. Time to grow up young Samuel.
You sit there and use your religion as a shield as though you undoubtely know for a fact YOUR religion is the correct one. Then in the same breathe you suggest someone leave this country because they don't adhere to your ideology. This somehow makes you more American that others? This gives you the right to tell someone to leave?
Part of the reason this country was founded was for the freedom from religious persecution. It affords people the right to be who they want to be. That all men are created equal and have certain inalienable rights. The fact that you suggest otherwise, by your logic, you're not American enough to live here either.
You don"t have to believe...Funny, even the devil himself believe in Jesus and the word of God. One day you will find out for yourself.
So just don't eat there....but don't inhibit my ability to do so since I don't agree with your lifestyle choices. I am not going to choose to eat somewhere just because you go there and I don't agree with your views.
I am not lesbian, but I too have been protesting Chick-fil-A since Cathy made his statements about gays and it was revealed that they contribute to what boils down to hate groups....groups that want to criminalize homosexuality. Puleez! No, as much as I love those little chicken minis, they will NEVER get another dime from me. No matter what. That is one cat they can't put back in the bag.
Sounds like a win win. I dont want people like you around when I am eating my delicious chicken sandwich.
I know. The thought of you eating chicken with chicken fat running down your chin while reading the US Constituttion (obviously for the first time) makes me a bit queasy.
@taco bender – you are an idiot.
I am a christian and i dont agree with gay marriage, but that doesn't mean i hate them or don't want to be around them. You call yourself a christian taco bender, but you dont love people the way that God has asked us to love them. We cannot change other people we can only show them the love that God has shown and given to us. If you want to make a difference for God then show his love to others. God changes the hearts of people not us.
That is your decision. I will not be ashamed of my conviction and will not be pressured into condoning sin. I do pray for them but I will not make an exception of their lifestyle because society says so.
That is your right, even though you seem to be quite misinformed and ignorant. Oh well, stupid people in America make things interesting I suppose.
Tea party patriots and birthers love Chick-fil-A because they're always within walking distance from their trailer parks.
Miss Willis,
Yes, Christians question the Christianity of lesbians, much as we do with drunks, womanizers, pornaddicts, (crooked) tax collectors, and prostitutes. Yet Jesus hung out with those people, because that is where the needs were.
It is not that a lesbian cannot be Christian, just like a drunk can, but that the lifestyle of a lesbian is incompatible with being a Christian with a sanctified Christian lifestyle. We are all sinners with our problems, but they are problems we are working to improve (and we often call each other to task when our pride leads us to justifying our own sinful lifestyle choices).
You would not take offense if a Christain was trying to move you away from a heroin addiction, but you do when they attempt to move you from some other sinful lifestyle. The question becomes one of authority. Who decides what is right and wrong, you or the Bible? If you choose "you" in your sexuality, you should expect that Christains who want to call you away from that.
Now, if you were to say "I am Christain in most aspects of my life, except for my sexuality, where I am going my own way," most Christains would say, "okay, we hope you see the folly of that choice, but we trust in God's forgiveness."
Your judgement of CFA, however, for standing by the teachings of the religion you claim to follow (in every aspect other than sexuality), is a whole different issue. Then you are critizing as unChristian a teaching of Christianity that you are intentionally in violation of. Even the drunk and the prostitute have the desency to have some shame for their actions.
Christians are people of love and forgiveness. That is why we still shop at Target and go to Disney World despite their anti-Christian stance on homosexuality. We believe them to be wrong, but we still associate with the sinners and tax collectors – becase that is where the needs are.
Ask yourself, as you wonder why you are being persecuted for your sin, why it is okay to persecute others for their belief that your sin is sin (without any actual discrimination in hiring, pay, service, or any other means).
incredibly well-said, Oakspar!
Why do you compare being born gay – a NORMAL NATURAL variant of sexual orientation, with a disease like drug addiction? It only shows that you have purposefully chosen to be ignorant about science.
And again, the problem with these nutters isn't that they have a belief, it's that they seek to take that religious opinion (unsupported by facts or evidence) and force it on everyone by trying to enact laws making homosexuality a crime and enacting constitutional amendments forbidding gay folks from having the same civil rights as straight folks.
Oakspar, thanks for sharing however is it for Christians to judge others? Matthew 7:1-5.
That's a common misperception ... that Christians are doing the "judging." Not true ... a Christian is a follower of Christ; plain and simple. It is not our judgement that matters, but His. His word is pretty clear on this and many other topics. And if you look at all the realities (never seen in the media) concerning the gay lifestyle, you'll find a community ravaged by disease, depression, substance abuse and mental health issues far greater than mere random chance can explain. And the blaming of homophobs doesn't hold water either since much of the research comes from European countries where little to no stigma is attached to homosexuality. Even in the Netherlands, homosexuals die about 20 years earlier than herterosexuals and are 6 times more likely to commit suicide. So one can easily conclude that promotion of the gay agenda is hardly prudent. All the above is NOT "hate" nor phobic, just a realsitic observation. Saying that substance abuse is not good is not hatred against the abuser. It was this reaction by the far-left media that has increased support for Chik-fil-A, NOT hatred against gays.
most misunderstood part of the New Testament
Then how bout this?
Matthew 15:4-7 “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” spoken by your savoir jesus himself